Site de discussion sur HAITI [ return ] From Message QTB Guest   08/11/2005 15:53:59 Subject: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Dated 11/08/2005 Quick Thinking Brilliant Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there… where? How do we make ourselves fit? In the midst of identity crisis…. and how! Can we find la circulation des mots de conduite? The civic et morale-law in order straightforward meaning validation with the fortitude passable calling to public and private affairs. How do we significantly clear all hearsay about Haiti’s natural affairs on public and private moments, which has been long-term displayed? Knowing Deep! Deep! Deep! Inside that it’s not going to be that easy… Presumably: these types of supportive system could often be shattered to being misread by one identity crisis or another clockwise for example: mêlée des embouteillages du cirque et de la crise des mots courrantes et suivante dans une societé: Identity crisis of the prosperous: Expression des fautes grossiers debase pointing fingers Flesh … flesh… flesh… kraze zo just bcz u r… the “Identity crisis of the affluent” Identity crisis of the middle-class: Expression des fautes grossiers debase pointing fingers Flesh … flesh… flesh…kraze zo just bcz u r… the “Identity crisis stuck between the edges to making/not making a standard living” Identity crisis of the unfortunate: Expression des fautes grossiers debase pointing fingers Flesh … flesh… flesh…kraze zo just bcz u r… the “Identity crisis of the underprivileged” Identity crisis of “self” or “we”: Expression des fautes grossiers debase pointing fingers Flesh … flesh… flesh…kraze zo“ just bcz u r of self or we… i.e. thinking out of the box …and/or other than or even independent” In other words a clockwise counterpart of responsibilities proclaiming all types of difficulties and beyond is the strongest mark in notion ‘plug-and-see’ to agreeing and/or disagreeing. Like anything or everything counts for some big deal at all times… beyond all stripped and myths. The intricate value to all of this… really depends on our combustive reactions and behaviors. What have we in the ‘Haitian society’ become… deriving to such irritable moment in the peak of our time? It is really what we must call a snapshot reality in identity crisis facing us in the midst of trouble time and trouble waters. Haiti was believed to have already been a rich country… blossoming by now. Because of its rich fundamental nature and its great historical experience encountered but not the other way around. Is this the part where we really decipher the difference between minds over matter and take all necessary and useful precaution to being more resolute to truly identify of all areas in crises? Or are we again (filling replica) to awaiting more agony, pain and sorrows of payloads of disappointments straight ahead… Don’t know but it seems to me that we are within our rights to making a judgment call, moral call, civic call, calling for peace and unity, a reasonable call, a make your mind up call, identity call, legal call, a san magouille call, etc… Gade ti poem sa-a li tou piti; Wi!!! Criz didentite Aysien endurablement terrible. Malgre ke nap mache ansanm nou pa reconnaitre youn ak lot. Nou mache gayee grenn pa grenn san zan-entant How deep our we hurt…deep enough to feel the constraint agony, pain and sorrow Grenn pa grenn nou pran kou desonnen ki egare tout moun alawondbade Grenn pa grenn nou pren kou desonnen ki afaibli-nou san manke mosau Grenn pa grenn nou nan cage tan kou (fourmi fou) san devan san deye Grenn pa grenn nou mache kont lot (do-za-do) san espwa san demain Wi… Criz didentite Aysien endurablement terrible How deep our we hurt…deep enough to feel the constraint agony, pain and sorrow Nou mache selman a limpossibilite et lincapacite san existence San-arret nap pran kout (baton imbecilite) kout (baton moun sot) (kout baton pa kopran) nan zo bwa tet Wi!!! Criz didentite Aysien endurablement terrible How deep our we hurt…deep enough to feel the constraint agony, pain and sorrow Grenn pa grenn nou kont lot… nap manje youn ak lot Eske se vre ke se Aysien ou rele… Hey! Gade… pa janm di ke se aysien ou rele.. Hey! Gade… ou te met di ke se nan lot parti karabib la ou soti Hey! Gade… si ou gin la koule ou te met di ke se Espanish ouye Hey! Gade… si ou pa gin la koule ou te met di ke ou se Jamaikin ouye Hey! Gade… sel sa mwen ta di-ou.. pa jamay di-ou ke se Aysien tande Si se vre ke se Aysien ou rele gade ou pa konnen nom chyen ou..ruf.. ruf.. Si se vre ke se Aysien ou rele ou san zidentite ou san nom et ka-ou grave Wi! Criz didentite Aysien endurablement terrible. How deep our we hurt…enough to feel the constraint agony, pain and sorrow Eske se vre ke se Aysien ou rele… Ah!!! Si se Aysien ou rele tout bon vre … Nou Aysien pa vle ouwe parielle nou Nou pral montre ou ki gen nou rahi tet nou Pasé-m youn fouchette, kiye ak couteau pou-m manje-l kounya Mwen te di-ou si se Aysien ou rele nap fini ak ou… ti kal pa ti kal Wi!! Criz didentite Aysien endurablement terrible. How deep our we hurt…deep enough to feel the constraint agony, pain and sorrow Could have written more on this passionate topic. Because I have witnessed lots of Haitians denying that they are Haitians by pretending to be from another country or ethnicity. They are running away from their own to being Haitians because of their own identity in crisis full of disappointments. But I feel that I must stop here…no suive… no sibe… banm fe yon ti kourri…pou kourri pa kourri deyem…si kouri vini doudou pa konte sou mwen tande…paske map kourri tande… Kavroom…kavroom gade yon bogota…mwen pral change-an Corvette 2006’ kavroom!!! vroom.., vroom… oh!!! apali pran… m-alle…mwen jet… Thank you for reading hubble Guest   09/11/2005 15:20:48 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: You are a real "dopee". Se ou ki pa fyè paske ou se Ayisyen. Se ou ki konplekse devan lót Ayisyen yo paske ou pa renmen tande yo kap pale franse. Mwen konn bout ou byen. Marco Quick Thinking Guest   10/11/2005 14:24:20 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Thanks for your feedback: “You are a real "dopee". Se ou ki pa fyè paske ou se Ayisyen. Se ou ki konplekse devan lót Ayisyen yo paske ou pa renmen tande yo kap pale franse. Mwen konn bout ou byen. Marco” I’m not so eager nor looking forward to the blame you’ve shadowed me with. And what you will continue to shadow me with. Which may have been the caused of what you went through before. In your prior experienced and/or experiments. Which might be an inflexible reaction that you’re fighting hard to let go of. It may be the reason you tag/track others to discharge that same spleen. Rather than providing and antidote; well if that is the case here; you may disregard what’s written below. Can you allow me to say that your (perfect words) and my (imperfect words) or just what we need to hear? On this one!!! Thank you for pointing out the problems that you can see (right through) me We always need a bigger, smarter & stronger head…pointing our problems and differences sometimes and I am so glad that you are “the one”. Welcome… Well its just too bad for me if cannot see through you as well. Se pa de redi mwen redi pou-mwen pale franse…Min si la marine pa métier-m sa-ou vle-M fe…Plus in my environment it is not necessary for me to speak French. Call me lazy or whatever. It is not a must. My conversational practices in French have been long gone. Besides if this was in your nature. You could have just simply asked! Do I speak French? I’d would have told you no. You could have also asked! Do speak Creole? I would have said! Yes! It’s a totally different story if I am in an environment where speaking French is a must. I would have made the most necessary effort to fluently speak and learn that language ASAP accordingly. But it looks like that you would be more satisfied. Hearing my broken French again!!! J. So you can (laugh out loud) and giggle for this also will bring you joy and good health. That’s probably why this subject was brought up… you see! I know you too; with you’re pretentious self. I must say it appears that yes!!! My imperfect words sounds awful and weak… Yummy…Grenn banana-mi… don’t let me slow you down… Don’t get too agitated or so enthused to pointing out what’s imperfect about me I understand! And (If you don’t want me on this site anymore because of speaking another language.) Which is fine with me…map degepi fast… Don’t be so disgusted when you embarked on imperfect things like me Try to control your temper by stepping, spitting, or even destroying what’s imperfect about me. Surely there be no harm done here… everyone will cheer you up!!! To whatever that makes you happy and make you feel good. Thank you for pointing out the problems you see about me Thank you for pointing out the cause of problems you see in me Thank you for pointing out the complexity that you have noticed in me Thank you for your preemptive views about knowing what I am all about… Thank you for allowing me the credit to discredit me in the end Please continue don’t let me stop you… you are doing a great job!!! You are doing so well in pleasing yourself and everyone else around you. Keep up the (good/valid) work in motion… I have been waiting so badly for this moment just because of my type. You are right! I don’t belonged and should have never expected (either way) to fit anywhere…It is my problem not yours… but through further education and good condition upbringing and mannerism. I just might belong somewhere in the long run… you never know…because its never to late to grow up not by size but in edification. That’s one thing you cannot strip away. And… again that’s what democracy is all about. So we believe that education is the key and a mind is a terrible thing to waste. We are marching on through education in getting ourselves away from always thinking {in the box} to thinking {out of the box} sometimes. Politics is an ancient institution of old time that we human beings have created admirably and respectably. International politics is a universal institution also what we created honorably and respectably. Though we may not know or fully understand the scopes of these gigantic coded magnet institutions or universal. It is always the responsibility of a (serving lecturers) to bring us up to that (living standard) appropriately. Now trying to look at your comments in a logical perspective it may very well be that you are correcting me indeed. Which could all be in fairness? What’s your point whether you speak French? What’s your point whether I speak English? What’s your point whether I speak Creole? I may be wrong but with my discredited self and with your perfect standardize tenure you’ll show me a thing or two…won’t you… vivre la democracy as it allows us to reason as human beings more and more. And if you where so proud to be Haitian too you would have also helped me to be proud too in that area. Not the other way around… Now! I can really see why self-hated is among us all the time. You know that a pledged to harmony amongst us must go on in our society and so therefore I bid you peace and farewell. Piske se yon papier ki gen resemblance ekri au propre ou genyen tout dwa-ou pou badichonnen-l…semble ke ou fo nan sa ampil… ou te met mete tout ingredient ou-yo deho with sugar on top. Mesi pou affection ou gen pou-mwen…Mwen pa gen dwa jamay tounin la anko… Thank you once again, hubble Guest   10/11/2005 17:45:32 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Ou jis renmen entèlektyalize defo ke ou chita ap kiltive yo. Ou di li: self-hatred, se pou ki ou trouve ke se pou mwen blye pale franse. Se pou ki ou pa janm met pye an Ayiti depi ou te apti pou al viv lan paradi Bush. Quick Thinking Guest   10/11/2005 19:59:42 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: mwen pap kiltive misantent sa yo anko...you have won!!! Quick Thinking Guest   12/11/2005 14:09:27 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Hubble; It seems that nothing would please you more than to see me everyday on this site. But that’s just too bad. Can you allow me to speculate the following: That “Hubble” is on the look out AND definitely trailing (all Haitians) living abroad and/or MAYBE “target s” who have Haitian background out of their (way of life) assisting them in (removing all revival memories) with a special eraser. But as a substitute others would replace it! without having any form of Haitian background and way of life in other to revive Haiti. We don’t mind the diversity [Hubble] but why in the world would you leave out the rest and the best part of you hanging out there… pou kite yap souffri deho konsa. Example; if all Haitians living abroad with Haitian background wants to return to what they once call their old native land Haiti; just to retire after 35 years or 45 years… than “Hubble” will be right there waiting with (whatever man) to chase all of us out of Haiti regardless. If this is indeed the case than you are right! We can’t ever be united or even come close to that part of togetherness. A lot of Haitian with Haitian background would have like to retire in Haiti but never could and/or will never be able to. Due to the troubled on the prolong frustrations and instability of that society. Hubble, the baby boomers age have already started to be at the retirement front including a hold bunch of Haitians in France, Canada and the U.S. Think about that before you roar. Just because you may be young and vibrant does mean you’re not going to get old someday. And be at the same spot and if you already there… shame on you. Se pou ta commence attire moun sa yo. Ke pou ta di yo mete yo deho malhonetement poutet yo pa Haitian et pap jam Haitian anko. Just another stigma pou petet fe la pati mache konsa. Mwen bouke tande pale de bagay sayo paske yo pa fe sense ditou. Then again I forgot’ things that do not make sense makes perfect sense sometimes. But I must admit that there is a handful who might of actually accomplished and succeeded that avenue on retiring in Haiti. While the rest of those majorities over couple of thousands have been booted out for one reason or the other. Again perhaps you may want top finesse and refinement la crème de la crème for your country. And I am not knocking that down because it’s a good thing. But what puzzles me is why in the world would you want to leave the best part of you outside out-of wed lock, out-of sight- and out-of-mind. Doesn’t that show just a little self-hatred? Then again you are probably focus on persnickety… who knows? But the reflection of that always seems to be all. You see I have not been convinced that our quandary so called catch-22 in Haiti is similar to other countries. In reality it’s never a thought that comes to mind because I may not be on that level to see the overalls. Call me stupid or whatever but I don’t see the linkage. Why I asked myself… why couldn’t I see beyond Haiti? Haiti the country of my ancestors. “Ou di li: self-hatred, se pou ki ou trouve ke se pou mwen blye pale franse” By the way I don’t believe you a bit on the pretext and your shenanigan about your French speaking contention. Come again… I think this is just a façade… to bringing more of your static notes rather than a normalized atmosphere of our society. What makes me wonder is that! if I was a total stranger to you without any form of having a Haitian background at all. Thousand times over!!! I would have been welcomed by Haitians; with nobility and admiration … mwen tap soti san tache et pu. What about self-hatred does it really start here…and how far does it go… I asked. Ps: Epi pa vini mande-mwen pou-m tounin la anko… Kom gen yon seri de qualite fanm ki genyen tou a pedi Min gason en general pa genyen a pedi nan tout sense. Se mentalite societe nou ki bati nan degree sa-a… I believe sometimes we have to step back a little in order to Move forward. “ Ya fe tan ya kite tan” Je pe my dyol now… kom mwen deja di ke mwen pap vini la Anko… hubble Guest   12/11/2005 15:22:14 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: You said it: you are a total stranger to me. Mwen pa renmen fóm tèt a w, ou tró bèl...ou tró entèlijant, ou tró janti, ou tro jenerez. Ou pa ase chiche. Pass the dutchy by the left hand side... So long Quick Thinking Guest   14/11/2005 15:52:28 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Hubble- this begins to sounds so familiar… but yes! its your prerogative whatever suits you and don’t let me stop you. You must have a reason for your method and for your petulance and detestation. Message: “You said it: you are a total stranger to me. Mwen pa renmen fóm tèt a w, ou tró bèl...ou tró entèlijant, ou tró janti, ou tro jenerez. Ou pa ase chiche. Pass the dutchy by the left hand side... So long.” thanks you for the deceptions and hope it will bring to joy and happiness. Glad you don’t like the shape of my head. Probably my head is too big to fit in your mouth and too little to fold in your pocket. About chiche- for crying out loud you’re absolutely right that’s not my forte. Can’t keep a straight line for I am too afraid in competing with you. Question- as an example: Can we assumed the following; that out of 600,000.plus Haitians who are living in America approximately 20 –25% speak French and the remaining speaks English and Creole? And in Canada and France; Haitians who resides have the opportunity to speaking French which is also the language of their native land. With that in mind Haitians living in America who adheres to speaking Creole and English only. May perhaps be faced with le baton of unconstructive criticisms and language inferiority complex from some other Haitians who speaks French and Creole in that manner and in that community. Just as we thought we had seen everything about the strong issues of race, about power struggle, and the insolvent in Haitian society. In addition another syndrome marks the wrongdoing stigma based on the difference of speaking or not speaking a language as Haitians. If that don’t sound like (total strangers) I don’t know what does. Again it your prerogative to run me out of this site based on these notions … and I will leave. Don’t feel bad instead you should be very happy to celebrate. Because in your eyes “You see a stranger all the time” all the time… all the time… all the time… If I remembered clearly a sudden reply was posted: from (Reader Message: ”A friendly suggestion: stick to English.”) So I am confused here…what happened? “There’s a difference to changing a cultivating culture and in adapting to what a cultivating culture brings” Quote of the day- “To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk.” Thomas A Edison 1847 – 1931 American inventor. Je pe dyol mwen… Hubble Guest   14/11/2005 17:48:14 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: You are the one who likes provocation. Anyway, thank you for the americanisms. You wrote: "Glad you don’t like the shape of my head. Probably my head is too big to fit in your mouth and too little to fold in your pocket". Well, only if I were a snake or if I had two mouths should I attempt to swallow your "Gorgone" head. You have an "elephantesque" memory and you keep track of every feedback you've got here. Either you are a grateful person or a hateful one. By the way, the individual who suggested that you stick to English did not necessarily mean that you forget about French. (To be continued) Hubble Guest   14/11/2005 18:02:32 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: I did not start the fire... I got caught once in a language battle in Haiti. While a stupid brother of mine was insisting that we spoeak French at a resto-bar, another yankee Haitian was asking me for matches in a very bastardized "unacademic" English. I know my English is limited but... I am sorry (first time in my life) that you've become virtually my "souffre-douleur". I don't mean to pick on you unless you like it when people pull your legs. Once again, forgive the blind man... Hubble Guest   14/11/2005 20:08:54 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Quote of the day- “To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk.” Thomas A Edison 1847 – 1931 American inventor. Yeah! you learnt your history well and you're still unsatiable. See my 'problem' is that I can't help being anti-American. You begin to sound like a Jew to me. Ask me if you need a clearer explanation. Pass the dutchy... Who am I to throw stones at you? Quick Thinking Guest   15/11/2005 15:26:38 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Accept me as I am and not the person you want me to be… “did not start the fire... I got caught once in a language battle in Haiti. While a stupid brother of mine was insisting that we spoeak French at a resto-bar, another yankee Haitian was asking me for matches in a very bastardized "unacademic" English.” What I think u could have done to save that type of trouble at the “resto-bar” is simply asked the person to repeat what (he’d or she’d) said and reply back with: did you mean to say this? Or that? Education does not start nor stop in the classrooms. Ti es toujou la pou tout tan cherche ampil kont Pourquoi? Pourquoi? Pourquoi? Pourquoi? Ti es toujou la konsa a ne pa ede-m a obtenir la possibilite d’une comportment de raison logique et morale. Pourquoi? Pourquoi? Pourquoi? Pourquoi? Eske se parke gason and some women pa genyen Anyin a pedi. Et yo vle pou tout virginite de self esteem kaba tombe nan dlo sal. Pourquoi? Pourquoi? Pourquoi? Pourquoi? Ti cherche a me fe la cour pou fe lago nen tout bagay En decomposition Pourquoi? Pourquoi? Pourquoi? Pourquoi? Have a great end of the year if I don’t chat with you before then. Thanks for showing me to way to the theater. karl Guest   15/11/2005 15:40:43 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: TRES INTERESSANT Hubble Guest   15/11/2005 16:59:17 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: I think Karl is having fun out there. He likes to see couples fight. (lol) Hey Karl, don't mind us, we are sibblings. As you know, there's no unit as dysfunctional as a family. Quick Thinking, I promise from now on to never leave you alone. Hubble Guest   15/11/2005 17:18:13 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: What do you mean by "you are always there to do this, to do that to... me". Have we met before? You never know; as they say in "franse", the world is small. Quick Thinking Guest   15/11/2005 20:32:45 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Hubble- this is about all for me on this subject… I need to move on… but I must admit you have worn me out…. You’ve won!!! Pako diou champion… Quick Thinking Guest   15/11/2005 20:54:11 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Oh yes I'm the great pretender (ooh ooh) Pretending I'm doing well (ooh ooh) My need is such I pretend too much I'm lonely but no one can tell Oh yes I'm the great pretender (ooh ooh) Adrift in a world of my own (ooh ooh) I play the game but to my real shame You've left me to dream all alone Too real is this feeling of make believe Too real when I feel what my heart can't conceal Ooh Ooh yes I'm the great pretender (ooh ooh) Just laughing and gay like a clown (ooh ooh) I seem to be what I'm not (you see) I'm wearing my heart like a crown Pretending that you're still around Yeah ooh hoo Too real when I feel what my heart can't conceal Oh yes I'm the great pretender Just laughing and gay like a clown (ooh ooh) I seem to be what I'm not you see I'm wearing my heart like a crown Pretending that you're Pretending that you're still around Hubble Guest   16/11/2005 16:25:31 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Right on. Hum! tant de lyrisme. You like to "romanticize" as well, don't you?. I have my doubts about the clown happily depicted. Have you ever observed a clown smile? Now, I know why the caged birds sings...never read the book but it must be about self-discovery, freedom of the mind, freedom of the heart, freedom of the soul... whatever. Go ahead, banm le gain... kapóne. Quick Thinking Guest   17/11/2005 14:31:53 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Everybody got a story whether it’s the fascinating riddle book of “Maya Angelou” about “I know why the caged birds sings.” “Caged Bird is sometimes considered essential reading for young students, and is on many required reading lists; however, the book has also proved controversial, because of its honest depictions of sexuality and Angelou's discussion of being raped as a child.” Hubble- Bon! Atauwa sa-ou te expect pou mwen te imagine pou te di-m. Ke sa-ou di la selmen hein? Ou kwe mwen kwe’w enba paket zouti kraponage sa-a yo…bonbon siro ak ampil fromage…bati nen cage… Now! If you want me to help you determine in my own version about “I know why the caged birds sings” that’s another story… M-alle Hubble Guest   17/11/2005 16:59:07 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Never read the book. Anyway, I'm not interested in American literature, especially the black female authors and the drag queens Baldwins who like too much to tell about oppression. They've let the marks of the ignoble overshadow their humanity. No wonder they are so appreciated by the white audience. Angelou, Oprah, Mrs Stones... Please don't tell me what I already know. Quick Thinking Guest   18/11/2005 17:18:13 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: In a catch 22 you are pointing out intensive dislikes like about other peoples way of life in just about everything. Where in fact it could be about other things going in full circle on dissatisfaction and disappointment and setbacks in our Haitian society. A distaste about everything that went wrong and where nothing seems to be going right… and so it seems. Is it really the end of the road or is it about a particular philosophy and ideology that is at its ending rope at a turning point? Pou fe respe-w devan kras fok ou binyin chak jou. So… kit… se la ou le, le ou la, la pour le, et le pour la… depi tout moun byen nettroyer. People can judge while society also judges. But it is important to note when history judges it stands in place. I history have always been there to rewrite the rights and wrongs and also write the wrongs and the rights of history making. Kom proveb la di; di diable bonjou ou pa di-l bonjou lap…. So ou just pa di-l … observer keen Guest   18/11/2005 17:40:41 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: hubble, stop courting the virtual wife of quick landing. quick landind is very jealous, you have to respect a man's family. le chat pa la, rat pran kay! mwen pale ou fre mwen, kite madanm moun an repo! Hubble Guest   19/11/2005 12:58:51 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: I don't court other men's wives. Quick Thinking is single. Anyway, you mention quick landind. Is he out of his mind? Mwen pase, papa. Mwen koute konsèy a w. Mwen pa jidoka, mwen pa karateka. Tony Guest   19/11/2005 13:33:39 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Quick Thinking is gay. Quick Thinking Guest   19/11/2005 15:10:52 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: For example: Lets just say that if (a person… a human being) asked to remove the chains so they can free their minds for a minute or two. The following reaction of disappointment to that is. The majority reaction of the people would be: Antere-yo ak labou, continue ede-m voye dlo sal, ede-m pou mwen pren yo pa anyin, ede-m rache yo pa ti miyet, ede-m denigre-yo, ede-m monte yon paket support, et pi finalment ede-m touye-yo… paske yo mande pou-yo retire chain la ke bloke mind yo . Alatraka mezanmi Adye… “Piske se yon papier ki gen resemblance ekri au propre ou genyen tout dwa-ou pou badichonnen-l…semble ke ou fo nan sa ampil… ou te met mete tout ingredient ou-yo deho with sugar on top.” Investing on ‘people’ like reaching out to the their community, in education, or collective efforts etc. May or may not have the full time to invest much on things. Investing on ‘things’ such as business, products, corporations etc. May or may not have the full time to invest on people. There’s always a contest to pick and choose of not necessarily making any investments at all. Both sound so simple and easy to manage but in fact together it demands a much more reliable set of accomplishments. How come something’s that looks so simple are so difficult to come together? I might be wrong again… but -tout betise 100% ki sal ak defo pis admit sou tet tou lot bagay. Min integrity pi acceptable pou fe enba silence metrise de soi. Eske integrite/dignite fet pou koupe debo? If moral judgment exists then Haitian society will reunite under that umbrella and will restore their civic order. Surely they will find it once again that’s the hopes and dreams. That’s the confident that’s is instilled in all of us. I do have that certainty as an individual born out immigrant parents of Haiti. Did read a brief history about another country that I wanted to share. It’s very interesting indeed. It is well known but I wanted us to look at it together. That’s all. Quick Thinking Guest   19/11/2005 15:20:34 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Although you may have already know about this history … but we can also read and learn together the history about other countries… See below… Liberia brief history http://www.africanet.com/africanet/country/liberia/home.htm Language English is the official language, although some African languages such as Golla, Kpelle and Kru are also spoken.. History Liberia began when US philanthropists set out to resettle in Africa, liberated slaves who no longer wanted to work on plantations. Not all of the slaves, who were offered repatriation, accepted it; many found it humiliating and refused to go. The three thousand who accepted resettlement had a hard time establishing themselves because they had to contend with the existing population who resented being alienated from their land. In 1847 the country declared itself as an independent republic. It wasn't until 1862 that the USA formerly recognised this. The new settlers saw themselves as part of a mission to bring civilisation and Christianity to Africa and so imposed a type of forced labour on the existing population. In the late 19th century the country lost large chunks of its territory to the British and French. In 1930 after a hundred years of the virtual enslavement of the indigenous people of Liberia, the USA and Britain broke off diplomatic relations, prompted by the scandal over the sale of such labour to the Spanish territories. Labour recruitment methods were being condemned even up to 1960 by the International Labour Organisation. The settlers were unable to form an economic base as a result of which they were heavily reliant on foreign capital. The True Whig Party monopolised Liberian powers from early on and it held this grip until a coup in 1980. From 1944 to 1977 during William Tubman's Presidency, massive foreign investment occurred. Liberia acquired the name "Fire Stone Republic" due to Tubman's eagerness to hand out concessions to foreign companies. The huge influx of foreign money caused the economy to become distorted and exacerbated social inequalities a consequence of which was increasing hostility between the descendants of the settlers and the original inhabitants. This alarmed Tubman and he was forced to concede the original inhabitants would have to be granted an amount of political and economic involvement in the country. One of his concessions was to enfranchise them. 97 per cent of the population had been denied the franchise until 1963. Tubman was succeeded by William Tolbert in 1971. Tolbert continued with the majority of Tubman's policies and diplomatic relations were established with communist countries such as the People's Republic of China. Tolbert created harsh laws to deal with opposition to his regime prompting complaints form the USA about violations to human rights. In 1979 there were demonstrations against the increase in the price of rice. Some demonstrators were shot. A coup was staged in April 1980 when Tolbert was overthrown by Master Sergeant Samuel Doe. In the coup Tolbert was assassinated along with many other ministers. Their bodies were dumped in a common grave. Many high ranking government ministers who survived were tried, beaten up and finally shot on the beach at Monrovia. The coup gave the indigenous inhabitants real political power for the first time, but this was condemned by other African countries, allies and trading partners. A flight of capital from the country occurred after the coup. Samuel Doe who promoted himself to General and Commander in Chief managed to survive several coup attempts. He finally fell in 1990 when Prince Johnson and Charles Taylor launched a rebellion although neither could agree on who would take charge. © 1997 Internet Africa. Internet Africa Limited does not accept any liabilities for any changes, errors or omissions nor for any resultant or consequential charges or liabilities incurred by any organisation or individual. FULL DISCLAIMER http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/globalconnections/liberia/essays/history/ Question of freedom Six thousand miles from the United States lies a country whose flag bears a striking resemblance to the American one: alternating red and white horizontal stripes and, in the upper left-hand corner, a dark blue square. Against this blue background is a lone white star -- the star of liberty. The flag is a symbol of the history of the Liberian state, its relationship with America, and its search for its own identity. The present-day Republic of Liberia occupies 43,000 square miles (slightly more than Tennessee) in West Africa. It is bordered on the southwest by the Atlantic Ocean and surrounded by Guinea, Sierra Leone, and the Ivory Coast. From antiquity through the 1700s, many ethnic groups from the surrounding regions settled in the area, making Liberia one of Africa's most culturally rich and diverse countries. Settled in the early 1800s by freeborn Blacks and former slaves from America, Liberia, whose name means "land of freedom," has always struggled with its double cultural heritage: that of the settlers and of the indigenous Africans. From America to West Africa In 1816, a group made up mostly of Quakers and slaveholders in Washington, D.C., formed the American Colonization Society (ACS). The Quakers opposed slavery, and the slaveholders opposed the freedom of Blacks, but they agreed on one thing: that Black Americans should be repatriated to Africa. The Quakers felt that freeborn Blacks and former slaves would face better chances for freedom in Africa than in the United States. They also saw repatriation as a way of spreading Christianity through Africa. The slaveholders' motives were less charitable: They viewed repatriation of Blacks as a way of avoiding a slave rebellion like the one that had taken place on the island of Santo Domingo, today's Haiti. Despite opposition from many Blacks and from white abolitionists, the repatriation program, funded by ACS member subscriptions and a number of state legislatures, moved forward. In 1822, the first 86 voluntary, Black emigrants landed on Cape Montserrado, on what was then known as the Grain Coast. They arrived with white agents of the ACS who would govern them for many years. Many others followed, settling on land sometimes purchased, sometimes obtained more forcefully, from indigenous chiefs. Hubble Guest   20/11/2005 13:54:40 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Anyway, what's your point? What have these people accomplished in Liberia and its neighbour Sierra Leone. What is there to be learnt? Colonialism, neocolonialism, different forms of imperialism. They forced them blacks back to Africa the same way they brought them to America: under white men's wishes and command. I met a bunch of those West-Africans, who revere so much their Chritian fathers and preachers, their own abusers. C'est de la pourriture, croyez-moi. Are you calling land of freedom the country(?) founded by a people with a slave mentality? Excuse me, let me remind you that Haïti is the only "Land od Freedom", no matter what, and at the same time, the most feared black nation. No wonder, they've created a mess over there in order to come and stick their "shitty" views in our business. By the way, I just read the news. Or is it just a rumour? It's getting scary. I'm not a tolerant man. Mad, Mad, Mad...Damned mad! Oui, pitite. Se konsa l' te ye la. Resté (rete), mezanmi, peyi a fini. Quick Thinking Guest   21/11/2005 14:49:06 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Just wanted to review a story of another country, which is a world historical view and followed by its websites; nothing less and nothing more. Surely you click on these for more insights but if not so be it. Hubble - don’t want to compare anything. But what do you think about native Haitians in their country and Haitian living abroad in Canada, France and in the U.S. what if the Haitians living abroad were the chosen ones to bring peace and stability to the land. Would they be recognized just as much as slaves like “ The three thousand Americans who accepted resettlement and repatriation” in Liberia. Or would we in the Haitian society scandalize and dramatize it to the extreme or embrace such effort? That is a simple point. -------------------------------------------------------- When life fully introduces itself and seen just about everything, like villains and good/kind and gentle people on the road etc. Knowing that the individual in a person defines its character and where others can begin to have acrostic ways to re-pigeonhole and re-classified. At a full speed of life it can be re-introduced to draw things nearer or farther to pinpoint characters. Which reflects a certain appeal to what we do or don’t hold dear which is sometimes driven by an emotional roller coaster. What’s important is not the presentation because people are displayed anyway… but its mêlées. You see if one bad apple spoils a whole bunch and people would have start to believe in that more effectively; then everyone would be spoiled and rotten just like a bad apple. If we really thought we were like fruits and/or animals we wouldn’t be able to see passed the individualities of a person taken shape in a human form. Think about that. So by exploring a character acrostically counts for everything and but its negative impact of that exploration i.e. always starts with name-calling and progresses…the pictured framework becomes more important then a person and its character. The portrait can be seen in two fold either as an extremist or the greatest person that ever lived. The individuality in a person gives a character the ability to think. Once the ability to think is removed then we cannot function right in a society that becomes too extremist and imbalanced in and of itself. Since there’s no in between the characters either are or aren’t and the best way to reexamine self is to truly have a wake up call of consciousness of your own. Send In The Clowns · Originally from the 1973 Broadway musical, A Little Night Music · Music and Lyrics by Stephen Sondheim · This version taken from Barbra Streisand's 1985 album, The Broadway Album Isn't it rich, are we a pair? Me here at last on the ground, You in mid-air. Send in the clowns. Isn't it bliss, don't you approve? One who keeps tearing around One who can't move Where are the clowns? Send in the clowns. Just when I'd stopped opening doors, Finally knowing the one that I wanted was yours. Making my entrance again with my usual flair, Sure of my lines; No one is there. Don't you love farce? My fault I fear, I thought that you'd want what I want, Sorry my dear But where are the clowns There ought to be clowns Quick send in the clowns What a surprise! Who could foresee I'd come to feel about you What you felt about me? Why only now when I see That you've drifted away? What a surprise... What a cliche'... Isn't it rich, isn't it queer Losing my timing this late in my career And where are the clowns Quick send in the clowns Don't bother, they're here. ‘Pa koute tout zami kap di-ou en ale min kote conscience ou kap dicte-ou volonte.’ Probablement avek lacacia. Hubble Guest   21/11/2005 17:45:28 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: I understand your situation. What do you mean by the chosen ones? Who are they and who are you? You sound like those black americans just out of slavery, living even sometimes small in the land of plenty and still considering themselves as superior to other groups. I know for example how the people from the West Indies have contributed to the black life in the US. You have no idea about Haitian intellectuals because their minds are not framed by the perverted anglo-culture. I guess I was right from the beginning; if you were not so mixed up, you wouldn't be posting pages you've picked here and there while surfing. (To be continued) if I feel like it. Ainsi ne soit-il! Quick Thinking Guest   22/11/2005 15:50:11 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Hubble- wanted to see your reaction… just as much you’d like to pull my legs. I am just nobody and didn’t know I had to be somebody to review the History of another country or anything really in that manner. Before I forget “the three thousand Americans who went and resettled for repartition to Africa” were not “chosen ones” but volunteers who had been freed; as they say after that "the rest is history." And yes I do recognize with admiration entirely that Haiti is a land of freedom. A land that my ancestors battled to have A land that my ancestors fought to keep A land that my ancestors has deepen and settled Haiti is a land of freedom A land that brings liberty to all Haitians A land that all Haitians can call home of peace A land that Haitians can come home in harmony Haiti is a land of freedom A land that every proud Haitians honors with exhilaration A land that is enriched with Haitians customs A land that all Haitians admires dearly in their heart A land that all Haitians sing along triumphantly a land of freedom Although this topic about the Haitian society living in Canada, France and in the U.S and native Haitian in Haiti should not be erased because I think it’s exactly where we might be able to find the general public opinions and resolution towards peace in our community and across the board. And but not in particular the “chosen ones” but have a supportive growing relationship sturdily build accordingly. Noticed I didn’t say Haiti’s Diaspora because in this topic; it’s up to you to identify and recognize where do we go from here. Like ‘ in the beginning’ The reason I brought up the Haitians society living abroad in Canada, France and in the U.S is because this is where our society is mostly concentrated percentage wise. The so-called nonentity will not talk on this particular subject. Because it seems that I really have to be an important person to hold such conversation. My apologies…it won’t happen again. Say goodbye to this topic along with the insignificant person that wrote it in that manner. mwen pa vexe poutet sa… Hubble Guest   22/11/2005 18:55:35 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Yes, no matter what, I repeat, Haiti is the Land of Freedom. We are not settlers in the same sense as the colonial people, Americans, South Africans, Australians, Canadians. Do you understand, the English bastards have spread everywhere and they dare calling other people rabbits. Before I forget, our ancestors did not commit any genocide, they got along well with the Natives helped the marroons for example. You like to fantasize, don't you? Well, go ahead and laugh at our misery. One thing that I know: the more they claim my country is a drifting boat, the more I cherrish it. Down with the Yankees! You wish you were in my position, don't you? Hubble Guest   22/11/2005 19:27:21 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: She's so sensitive, hypersensitive. Go ahead, think of yourself as a nobody, a non-entity. Would the real Quick Thinking Brillant stand up? My name is... Move Zèb. Mwen pa konseye moun fimenm. I don't take things personally, but when it comes to Haiti and its people... Hey Coco, beware! I always remind myself that the people they show on TV expecting to offend us are the same ones who kicked their whitey asses. (lol) Bye Quick Thinking Guest   29/11/2005 14:27:20 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Adye!!! Hmmm…je kembe la et tet bese ba! Ba! Ba!… grace-a meditation pou ne pas repondre ak kokin’ chenn manke dega uh! Huh! PANTALON ESKAMPE’. Epi anko pou-m pa react ak etranje bon formule copain en teni exagere. Si ti es Samson et Dayila kole… KAMPE-RIN di alatraka. Pardonnez mwen anpil si mwen voudwaye paske MWEN PA FET POU SA sou moun…le mepris vaut mieux que la response… Would you really have the courage to tell people to stand up in mudslides or on shaky grounds to do nothing better but to scorn others? Just as you have offered an invite… Hubble- franchement ou banm headache!!! Ak tout literati brode en pinpan rien ne bourge… Hubble- your mank dega is a blessing Hubble- your mank dega is a blessing Hubble- your mank dega is a blessing. Epi anko your mank dega madichon (to be continued) is also a blessing Stop going off! Stop your little tantrum attacks! And stop your stuff now… Does it pay you to go off like that? Because this type of reaction causes a lot of hypertensions please check with your doctor and come back and tell me how you feel afterwards. We must get over the hangovers no matter what. You are something else. Ou te met di (bye) tout bon vre… Non! Hubble -mwen pa ta kapab fe w plaisi sa-a ke w pa merite-lakay-ou… paske ou pa prime ase (OU TE MET GEN 100 TAN DAGE) ou genyen trop move penchant. Swa disan konmsi piske se yon FANM nwe...tout Ayisien gro vendeur toujou place formula sa-a devan GRO blan-YO pou fe blan mache…ke tout fanm nwe…se restavek yoye.. epi pou tout nonm Ayisien alowondbade kapab vini pi fo ak gro bibite Hercules. Enfin…helas! se pwen sa ki nan calbas-tet aw …no matter how settled you’ve become se reflection sa-a kap manje conscience ou. Go ahead continue putting that type of multifaceted back to sleep… fem dodo. Se menm pwen de mentalite sa-a ke blan you VLE retire nan calbas tet’aw paske fanm nwe… osi free kont esclavage menm jen avek-ou depi en 1804…ou pa beswen ale pese yo nen rak bwa ni nan cachot, denigre-yo anko yo pa banan pese… yo free kont mentalite escalvage sayo tou…ou pa beswen pale avek yo an kachet apre swye dyol-aw devan blan anko poutet nou se fanm nwe… paske nou free kont escalvage mentalite sayo tou.. Epi Hubble! Map tan ou la pou virre tout sou do-m piske se la ou pi fo. fem dodo paske fanm nwe…paka raisone tou… question de desan fanm nwe… pou monte tet-aw kom gro nonm Ayitien …MENTALITE SA-A LI KAPAB FEK KOMENSE POU OU paske ou petet tre jeune… MIN LE YO barre sauveur… sauveur rele…et yap toujou barre sauveur…depi PANTALON SAUVEURP A BYEN ESKAMPE…Se menm nou menm monm Ayitien ki en Haiti ni a letranje kap di gade fanm nwe… yo kap jwe ak tet yo blan, blan,blan BANM YON TI KOB MAP POTE YO POU-OU GRENN PA GRENN AK AMPIL ITELIGENCE… Epi Hubble map tan-ou ak tout le pousse ouwa pou vin-n di-la ke se poutet ke mwen vle apren pale (franse) ak tout rage kom fanm nwe.. ki fe ke depi en 1804 jiska nojou ke 8 million moun ki nen pays-ya miserablemen deprive… Hubble si mwen te ou mwen pa tap janm gamble…Hubble ou pa la dan-ni ou pedi kap-ou depi an 1804 jiska no jou… paske ou-pa konnen saki rele importance precieux ke la nature menm fe cadeau…what a shame… zel-kap tou lot moun ap vole enle byen eskampe kote pa-w… oh! mwen bliye paske ou tale bay landanni $$$…ti miet pa ti miet jiskaseke ven pren resla… Hubble - Attention pa kapon piske se met ko ki veye ko depi en 1804 jiska nojou Ayisien pa janmay kembe yon amalgamation paske se chyen manje chyen yon ak lot ‘ ki se resemb sasemb ki chita sou division chire tout robe ki fet a l’interieur... pou exterior kab pran bon jan ven fanatic ven… Nan pwen moun ki ta ka fe-w plaisi sa-a… esepte moun ki genyen konportement ou …se menm yo menm yo anko kap applaudi pou-ou…bat bravo.. et ki toujou kampe sur les deux debo. . Hubble ou deja mete-ou en display ak tout capacity pou kab hunt Ayisien parielle-ou like flies coming from the skies pou toupisi-yo et pou show off pou blan… ke ou-ap pale mal yo en katon laa…[education of hypocricy] ak moun ki gen ampil green back so koupyon yo…kidonk don’t worry you will be reawarded…just kontinue tou fe la pati mache… se viande sa yo yap mache expose pou vend actuellemen et inteligamen. La vwa est byen grande gade ki-jen et paki fason ke ou traite prochain-ou… si jodi-a ou kapab montre sa-ou pese jiskisi se paske ou pa genyen anyin ki de tre serieu lakay ou… se menm pinpinp yo ak menm roulemen pou vend ayisien parielle ouyo oubyen pou fe yo bay talon-yo pou yo jambe lotbo dlo marathon (En tableau plaka afiche penkad “joker”) avantage poche. Ki le vre Ayisien yo ap leve kampe pou commencer yon lot genre de vie. Pou jiska present fin 2005 eske vre Ayisien cache nan koin… epi tout fo yo se yo ki toujou deho ap fe la parade, kapfe les petites marionette KAP improviser charade impostures kaze brize … For example: Like no! You are marionette you are not Haitian!!! No! You are the one that’s a marionette because your ARE Haitian!!! Kile ki jou ki date bagay sayo ap fini…maybe never si gen ampil kob $$$ ki pou fet ladanni… bon jan ven fanatic ven… This type of alevini avilismen ap toujou kontinue so that everything else that’s really important like proper provisioned of the approximate 8 million people living Haiti and the (basic needs of the people food, shelter clean air and water) would also be forgotten with …so that 20 -100years will go (by and by) these provisions presumably will never be rewarded someday. But the disarray [pou den ri] oppression will probably remain for more than one reason that’s over our heads. I hope not but so far that’s what the objective continues to look like. Tell me something why when people who aren’t unable to get their ways. Why do they do what they do? Akin to verbally expressing a form of irritation words like thwarts. Similarly to a bad expulsion of (discharge) or even a bad hangover. Ou te met kontinye apiye-w do-ou sou ven …it will do you good… What’s all the force about? Why r u so awkwardly forceful? Where r u coming from? Where r u going with that… what are you trying to prove? Who r u proving it too? Why the competition? And guess what I don’t even want to know. Ou te met di (bye) tout bon vre Ou te met di (bye) tout bon vre Ou te met di (bye) tout bon vre ale ale-w… pati pati-w… Hubble- Si en ka ke ou ta kraze yon campaign tout bon vre. pou ke ti ne veu pa ke Dye me vwa tou… Unconditionally. Eske se poutet pou ka ouwe? The real Hubble please stand up! Hubble- ou te met fet karre kanpe pou ko-aw Hope also that you never gamble… Ou te met tounin la anko ak tout formule voracite-aw Pa pren aukin bagay mwen di-la kom reproche ni o serieu.. Map tan ou vini pou bay kout ba SA-A… Mwen pap repon post ou la anko. malle ps--- sonje byen ke se ou menm ki vini gaya ko-w la… mwen chita… chita-m la-a ap poste ti afe-m…mwen pa voye rele aukin moun… sonje byen avan ke ou tounin la-a anko.. Epi si pa vle mwen tounin la anko tant mieux… --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The following subject is totally irrelevant to what’s written above. A brief thought on Haiti when an after an election Haitian society will once again be put a test to see whether it can withstand its set of scales and cultural advancement. It’s has been known that approximately 54 candidate accepted to run for the presidency in 2005 although the number of runners has been reduced. And all but one will take the oath of office. Once again it should be noted that it is the first time in the history that more than a couple of dozens candidates ran for the presidency of Haiti. Which also reflects a firm commitment of a society readiness to restructure newness. Being able to accept challenges in all forms with promptness to face lift Haiti. Rather then enduring and/or remain ceaseless in blames with pretentious categories of blow out of disapprovals. The 54 candidates have proven that all conflicts in a society can be fully controlled and peace talks can began to resume also in the country of Haiti. These adjuncts also represent a bonded strata coat of arms in the great history of Haiti and togetherness. When and if properly used a bonded accord will sustain in Haiti and with its children. What we are actually looking at is a society in alteration. At best and in the moment of pairing with each other in order to find suitable fit of completion to stand firm. A society, which says…(Zafe ou si ou pa konpran paske il fo ke mwen avance) The society is also impacted with ‘ if we can’t trust anybody then who de we trust’ If nothing else seems to make sense this does... Example; if Haiti society is assumed to have a complete distrust in the establishment, public affairs, book publishers, literatures, newspapers, funds, education, languages, radio, television, religions, people or whose zooming who etc. What do we do to restore the confidence of the public entirely and rebuild self-reliance? The following is important--- readers, word of mouth and/or third party messages are more offended by the interpretation rather then the factual stories and/or true as it may be. In any event what do we do to recover public confidence and trust in an environment where everything is now in disbelieved? Recognizing the upturn from an injured society. What do we do to remove that gap of personal distrust without furiously pondering all on offenses? To look at a fix to a conflicted roulette is to be able to see: A. What is a profound relative trust? B. What is a superficial relative mistrust? I’ll just let you examine that one on your own and just may be… just may be… we all may come up with the same conclusion to restore the all damages of Haiti Cherie … Banmwen fe yon ti kouri alle pou yo pa kouri deye-m… Jete-m Hubble Guest   30/11/2005 14:36:00 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Miss me please. Nou ekri two long Guest   30/11/2005 16:47:43 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Figure it out now! No one has either the time or the patience for your extended tirade! If you want to write a book or an essay use a printing company (I'm sure Imprimerie Henry Deschamps would be glad to publish a book for a fellow "gren'n nan bouda" aspriring middle class after what his fellow orligarchist (Boulos) did to him (highjack the contract for printing the electoral card and outsource the job to the Dominican Republic (peyi panyol ki a pe maspinen ayisyen!) Guys, be quick and efficient or no one will rad you! Hubble Guest   03/12/2005 14:48:05 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Wipe your crystal ball before you pretend reading somebody like me and before you try to depict even a relative psychologigal portrait of myself. Once again, you feel the urge to remind me who your real master is, but I just don't give a damn about the pervert or the "amateur of boudin créole". What makes you think that I need a formula pou fè blan an mache? No dear, wrong target. Blan se ras masisi, si ou te yon fanm tout' bon ou ta just panse de preferans ke nèg sa vle fè ou mache. At first, it seemed that you were thinking that way but the infamous spirit had got into your mind, you couldn't help thinking about him because your imagination is corrupted. Mwen mache, mwen, wè mwen vire do mwen mwen pa di anyen. Koulye a mazette ak kouyann li yo panse yo ka fè mwen pè. By the way, didn't I tell you that I rarely go to the doctor exceptionally for physical pain. Ou pa kon' ki sa mpeze. Al mande blan an, la di ou. Gade ma chè, kenbe grap ou avèk mwen. Si djab la pase sou ou ak bulldozer kap ecrabouille mind move nègès ak nèg, se cockroach le ye devan mwen, tande. Mwen pa la pryè menm bob dye ke moun sa yo, in case you didn't know. E mwen pa asosye ak san wont kap sèvi djab. Ou mèt rete ak blan ou an. di li ale vou zan pou mwen ansanm ak tou restavèk li yo. Ret sezi Quick Thinking Guest   13/12/2005 19:46:36 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Abas la misere sur ile d’Haiti Abas la pauverete Haitienne Abas la misere sur ile d’Haiti Abas la pauverete Haitienne Abas la misere sur ile d’Haiti Abas la pauverete Haitienne John Lennon Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today... Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one Quick Thinking Guest   13/12/2005 19:54:53 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: In the year 2525 Zager and Evans Reached #1 in July of 1969 In the year 2525 If man is still alive If woman can survive they may find In the year 3535 Ain't gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lies Everything you think do and say Is in the pill you took today In the year 4545 You ain't gonna need your teeth won't need your eyes You won't find a thing to chew Nobody's gonna look at you In the year 5555 Your arms hangin' limp at your sides Your legs got nothin' to do Some machine's doing that for you In the year 6565 You won't need no husband, won't need no wife You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too From the bottom of a long glass tube In the year 7510 If God's a comin' He oughta make it by then Maybe He'll look around Himself and say Guess it's time for the judgement day In the year 8510 God is gonna shake His mighty head He'll either say I'm pleased where man has been Or tear it down and start again woh oh In the year 9595 I'm kinda wonderin' if man is gonna be alive He's takin everything this old earth can give And he ain't put back nothin woh oh Now it's been ten thousand years Man has cried a billion tears For what he never knew Now man's reign is through But through eternal night The twinkling of starlight So very far away Maybe it's only yesterday In the year 2525 If man is still alive If woman can survive, they may find...... Hubble Guest   14/12/2005 14:13:04 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: A bas les Yankees! Quick Thinking Guest   15/12/2005 14:52:22 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Le mepris vaut mieux que la reponse… SMILING FACES SOMETIMES Undisputed Truth Smiling faces sometimes pretend to be your friend Smiling faces show no traces of the evil that lurks within Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes They don't tell the truth uh Smiling faces, smiling faces Tell lies and I got proof The truth is in the eyes Cause the eyes don't lie, amen Remember a smile is just A frown turned upside down My friend let me tell you Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes They don't tell the truth, uh Smiling faces, smiling faces Tell lies and I got proof Beware, beware of the handshake That hides the snake I'm telling you beware Beware of the pat on the back It just might hold you back Jealousy (jealousy) Misery (misery) Envy I tell you, you can't see behind smiling faces Smiling faces sometimes they don't tell the truth Smiling faces, smiling faces Tell lies and I got proof Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes They don't tell the truth Smiling faces, smiling faces Tell lies and I got proof (Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes) (Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes) I'm telling you beware, beware of the handshake That hides the snake Listen to me now, beware Beware of that pat on the back It just might hold you back Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes They don't tell the truth Smiling faces, smiling faces Tell lies and I got proof Your enemy won't do you no harm Cause you'll know where he's coming from Don't let the handshake and the smile fool ya Take my advice I'm only try' to school ya Quick Thinking Guest   15/12/2005 14:54:36 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Merci Haiti Cherie! Thank you Haiti! For a warm welcome With open arms To all your children Including the major ones Who lives out-side? In the U.S, Canada and France Back to Haiti… Vive Haiti Cherie! et sa raison d’etre. BACK STABBERS THE O'JAYS (What they do!) (They smile in your face) All the time they want to take your place The back stabbers (back stabbers) (They smile in your face) All the time they want to take your place The back stabbers (back stabbers) All you fellows who have someone and you really care, yeah, yeah Then it's all of you fellows who better beware, yeah yeah Somebody's out to get your lady A few of your buddies they sure look shady Blades are long, clenched tight in their fist Aimin' straight at your back And I don't think they'll miss (What they do!) (They smile in your face) All the time they want to take your place The back stabbers (back stabbers) I keep gettin' all these visits from my friends, yeah, what they doin to me They come to my house again and again and again and again, yeah So are they there to see my woman I don't even be home but they just keep on comin' What can I do to get on the right track I wish they'd take some of these knives off my back (They smile in your face) All the time they want to take your place The back stabbers (back stabbers) Low down... dirty... (What they do!) (They smile in your face) Smiling faces... smiling faces sometimes tell lies (Back stabbers) (They smile in your face) I don't need... low down, dirty bastards (Back stabbers) Hubble Guest   15/12/2005 15:19:10 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Merry Christmas, Madame Mélancolie. By the way, I just hung one of those dirty bastards you seem to know so much. Don't count me on your list... please Quick Thinking Guest   17/12/2005 15:52:13 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Until now don’t know whether or not I was replying to a person of color like me… Some of us (black folks) when we possessed wealth which we do at times; we tend to be excessively convinced to the core that racial discrimination does not exist. Some of us (black folks) when we hardly possess anything or nothing at all which we do at times; we tend to be excessively convinced to the core that racial discrimination does exists. What wrong with this picture above? I am unable to go any further now! But if we could have only tried to find the essence of the world sphere and single sphere very distant from the ground. We might be able to find justice in the means of our existence together in the Haitian society. But to the contrary we have not been pursuing that avenue. At least we might not have arrived yet. You know! I fear very much that Haitian society as a whole is still under the gun like. Who’s your daddy? I SAID WHO’S YOUR DADDY NOW!!! Which might be along way to a strong unanimity of togetherness. The old President Mandela of South Africa only served one term in office but eradicate the sentiment of apartheid. That is the legacy of his Presidency that will follow him throughout history. Peace is what Haiti needs no more wars, no more suffering of poverty. No more wars in Haiti! No more poverty in Haiti! No more misery in Haiti! Is Haiti society wedged between those scenarios? A (one-way) handful of criticisms positive and/or negative but is also forbidden to respond to criticisms positive and/or negative the (other way). If we are unable to view criticisms in a two way street; could that be considered an unbalanced relation, which we rely upon wholeheartedly. Hubble Guest   18/12/2005 14:59:10 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Well, Can't answer your question. I must be an exception among all those who believe like the 'white' people that there is no happiness without money. I don't consider myself in none of the categories above since I rely mostly on my natural talents and my acquiered skills, my morality and my healthy activities. Early in life I realized that materialistic people do not make good friends cause they lack spirituality as they are very insecure and are always comparing themselves to other people. Once again, I guess you are wrong. I AM NOT A PERSON OF COLOR. I don't use that "bastardizind" vocabulary. I am a good not friendly male, fierce, courageous, kind of knowledgeable, too knowledgeable to the son of Satan. I am 100% Haitian. Here you go again with your sentimentality. You've internalized all the references dictated by the 'so-called' white society. You are still wondering if I am this or that. What's the matter with you? I am not surprised because so many of you, especially blacks Americans and other immigrants looking for opportunity do believe that genius, god are white. Isn't you who attempted above to draw mw to your conviction that the "so-called" white are the chosen people because you've embraced them as your masters. As far as I am concerned, if God is "white", he or she can't keep their hell to themselves. remember what I told you in creole: "ras blan se ras cochon, malprop, pourriture kap mache simen kondanasyon yo patou yo pase". Down with the corrupted! Quick Thinking Guest   19/12/2005 18:03:38 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Still replying to no one but this I must say as a Haitian American and which I am 100% proud to be also. Surely wouldn’t have any impact whatsoever with our relationships in recognizing our Haitian society as a whole within a community? Or I am wrong here because this might be the correct reason why? Especially when a fire of confusion of all is lit in order to create pandemonium. What’s mind-boggling to me is that when I hear people from other international countries saying. Heh! I’ve you visited the Caribbean islands lately? Well there’s one island, which is separated between Santo Domingo and Haiti… oh! Let me tell you… When you visit Santo Domingo the countries complete colorful landscape infrastructure and layout architecture perfectly construction that of an islander look beautiful indeed (clubee like). But next-door in Haiti the countries premature and unattractive construction, which we can easily compared to Somalia. The difference between the two is very reflective… TELL ME AS A HAITIAN AMERICAN. How do you expect me to feel about that? Like seat (on it) or lay (on it) but shut-up. Or like a total stranger that of an imitation. Really how do u expect me to feel? Yes! What you do in Haiti does impact the rest of the Haitian community who also live abroad… always remember that if anything else. We are coming to realization that torturing people does not resolve problems in the world. Therefore humanity and out of the human kindness and of the inner spirit “called self’ we have consciously claim that torture is wrong. In addition we also have yet to totally recognize that torture is morale wrong also. At least we have reached that level and if we practice what we preach surely the world will be a better place to live. Well let me just leave it that way nothing further here… MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL!!! Hubble Guest   20/12/2005 13:50:53 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: When you step foot in Haiti, you see all the contrasts of life, and the people are fine with it. You've never been anywhere and you dare talking about Santo-Domingo and comparing Haiti to Somalia. What do you know about Haiti, I wonder in what conditions you live in the land of plenty you cherrish so much. Right now, you are afraid to lose the very little you may own. Why don't you stop preaching your American non-sense which says that there is no happiness without money? I have lived in a foreign country for so long and I did grow up in Haiti. I still don't see what some people of immigrant descent like to brag about. I am now 100% sure that I am talking to a brainwashed desillusioned dreamer who has had her share of misery in hell, I mean the US. I used to visit you guys and I am not impressed by your "vernis". You have such a short memory, if you really have a cognitive one: just a few months ago, the world watched the misery and the unfair treatment of "black people" in the richest (thief) country. You became so shocked that the media compared the situation to the one of refugees. I think that you are disconeected from the very reality you live in. You like to travel in books. It is about time you saw things with clear eyes. As an American, you like to reduce things to your narrow mentality, just like you think you can educate people who read your confused blog. I don't understand your preaching peace and brag about your country the US while it is waging war all over the place and killing innocent people, children, women, men in the name of God. Yeah, you owe them, but not me. I wonder about your family background, because the only thing you seem to know about Haiti is its misery. In that sense, I acknowledge your honesty. As they say, people tell what they know. Honestly, I cannot understand that a supposedly Haitian person need to hear about her country from strangers in order to make her own opinion. Honestly, it's such a pity. Who are you to judge my native land by digesting all the negativities you have picked here and there. Keep your Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to yourself. Please, do yourself a favor, stop calling yourself Haitian-American if you don't even know about your Haitian heritage. Haiti can do without them s... Quick Thinking Guest   20/12/2005 19:35:04 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Still not replying to anyone Looking at me trough a logotype of worldwide range points of view doesn’t change the fact that we are who we are (personally) and not what other people think we are (impersonal). Again I don’t do politics so spare me that moment in time where all of your general views are similarly based on that point. I.e. you people!!! However it seems that you want to give me a tour in Haiti. I’ll take it!!! That is unless if you are not showing you sarcasms. Before a year or two ago less then three “Haiti” was the furthest from my mind no doubt. What if I told to you that I became homeless in NYC at a very early? Does it sound gossipy juicy and is that pleasure low enough strong enough and easy for you to ooze on and crack. Yes! Families have visited Haiti but it was never something I personally wanted to do. So Yes! There you have it. You may (personally) feel that Haiti does not need a person like me. You have the right to use your own justification and adapt or whatever. But you can knock or bar others for not feeling the same way as you about that (verse-versa.) Oops! Made a mistake. Should not have said the word homeless. Should have said: mwen konnen intel ak Monsieur intel ou byen Madame intel ak lot intel anko and then some…. I don’t want to sound so lost but yes! There are quiet of few folks Haitian American and American Haitian or those who are living in other parts of the world. Who may also experience “ That Haiti is the furthest from their minds” please exclude the homeless statement here. Because I know how well you can play on derision. Anyway I wonder what words would you have for them? Eske wap pare pou shoute yo tou tankou-yon balloon? Especially when they are experiencing a wake up call and start to realize that Haiti is a part of them too. Before I forget. It seems that the style of your writing shows somewhat of an appetizer. Good intention and very skilled. To the point where I may keep responding to your condescending remarks or may not. As always expecting you to come back with a bombshell. M-alle Hubble Guest   21/12/2005 14:20:49 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: For some reason, I've always felt al lot of respect for the homeless. I have found two main reasons why people become homeless. Firstly, the capitalist system or European "values" are "shit" since it regardss poverty not as a problem but as an institution. Anyway, the wealth of America has its origins mainly in the suffering of the Natives and the Africans. See, everybody gets caught in a system where most of the people have no choice but to cooperate without questioning the basis (violence and bloodshed) of that materialistic success. Do you know that the Native were shocked when they first travelled to Europe and witnessed poor people begging on the street and being mistreated? Poverty both as a concept or a fact never existed in their culture. Secondly, many people have chosen the homeless condition because it's a way of expressing their freedom. Trust me, sometimes I wish I had such freedom but, what can I say again, this is not my country and as an Haitian, I cannot afford such luxury. Anyway, I am not interested in your personal history. You may know a lot of homeless people, as I said, keep me off your list because you are so impregnated by human "vileny" that you seem to get off on misery. You've been immunized, you've internalized so much. I know that some of us like to see a balanced world no matter what part of the equation they make as long as junk food is avalaible for their body and their mind. You are talking about a wake-up call. Well, I repeat poverty in Haiti is problem not an institution. The people of Haiti never accept theose conditions, they are hard working people except that in my view some of them are not very courageous, mostly the ones who believe that they've hit the jackpot by leaving abroad. The only thing I want to tell you about myself is that I have never felt at home in a foreign country. Thanks to my Creator, I realized early that I should not depend on friends or family for affection in the land of "chyen manje chyen". By the way, if I had a lot of money, I would be one of the greatest homeless persons in this world. Concerning my style of writing, I don't thing I would be as straightforward if my English was great. Hint: to be an anarchist doesn't mean being careless or self-destructive. Quick Thinking Guest   24/12/2005 15:34:38 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Being once homeless doesn't mean that you can’t have a second chance in a society. People from all walks of life can make it here regardless if you disagree; without sucking up or carrying lots of baggage nan lestomac... The homeless people I know of! You asked? Well! Afraid some Haitians might ridicule this topic anyway. But thanks goodness on theories of human motivation on populace habitable civilization. Everyone is entitled to turn their lives around and eventually become great inheritors and/or role models in the social convention arena. My hat goes off to them with an utmost respect. But unfortunately others might have turned out not to be so great after all. However as individuals it is one of the paths out of many roads that we have to travel as they said its part of life. Either you love it or hate it…the menu to strive to make it out there is our choices. Oh boy! You want me to go on and discuss the following. Gosh! So u can get me into trouble waters. But I’ll give it a try ok. Although we may differ about this big time!!! But here we go: And so I can assume that if poverty is in fact an episode of habits which have the possibilities to reflect poor quality as a phase that may resemble an institution. Then it may not be faced as a problem. Because when problems crimp-up difficult as it may seem we find a resolution to contemplate somehow. Presumably if poverty turns into a phase which may resemble as an institution the issue becomes much harder to resolve then a problem. Therefore la pauverte en Haiti seemed to have been slanted towards what we can presumably call “Une episode par habitude non-pas par domination.” (Because it can be changed)This is what is reflected for a very long time and/or so it seemed. Moving on right along here! A functional society - beyond doubt is also designed when and if violations occurrences are wished-upon and within that position nobody is above the law. A revealed society – is presumably designed to reflect when and if violations are wished-upon the ones at the bottom line always and astonishingly gets the brunt of it all. Let me give you an example of a “functional society”. Less then two months ago MSNBC news suddenly ran a series on sexual predators on the Internet. Investigators posed, as 13 –18 years on the web (internet policing) and also in person and responded to hard-core sexual predators after long and dreaded investigations some of them were caught big time. The people that were caught weren’t just mambo-jumbos but decent professional individuals who were extremely trusted in their community in which they lived. i.e. rabbi, professors, doctors among others. And because these individuals were highly decorated professionals it makes this unbelievably shocking when they were actively caught in action and on camera. Although the investigation might of leaned towards all non-professionals and/or professionals. But this time it pointed to professional wrong doing in a society on the Internet. What do you really tell yours kids when they say to you. “ BUT NOT EVERYONE YOU MEET ON THE INTERNET IS BAD” Let me give you an example of a “revealed society.” … Go figure… paske se exactemen sa yo rele it remains a big mystery. Another topics- Please spare us the longevity magnet of adversities in the Haitian society about poignant momentum similitude of medieval. For this was also indeed a moment in time of past histories and so it has already been written. Human societies in general and worldwide are looking for ways where conflicts and or disputes that progresses to being unresolved would not rely on torturing other human beings. June of 1970’ text and lyrics by: Marvin Gaye What’s Going on (Original) Mother, mother There's too many of you crying Brother, brother, brother There's far too many of you dying You know we've got to find a way To bring some lovin' here today - Ya Father, father We don't need to escalate You see, war is not the answer For only love can conquer hate You know we've got to find a way To bring some lovin' here today Picket lines and picket signs Don't punish me with brutality Talk to me, so you can see Oh, what's going on What's going on Ya, what's going on Ah, what's going on In the mean time Right on, baby Right on Right on Mother, Mother, everybody thinks we're wrong Oh, but who are they to judge us Simply because our hair is long Oh, you know we've got to find a way To bring some understanding here today Oh Picket lines and picket signs Don't punish me with brutality Talk to me So you can see What's going on Ya, what's going on Tell me what's going on I'll tell you what's going on - Uh Right on baby Right on baby Since we are in the informational world everything and everyone is access driven and furthermore. There’s no fantasy or bluffed about that advanced technology. Although nowadays there might be couple of debates going-on as to who controls what and where about privacy and privacy acts. Indeed these are the times we either acknowledge it or deny it regardless of the choices… that technology is here to stay. You see it was estimated around 2000-2002 that (technologies) was going to be booming after 10 years. That there weren’t going to be enough qualified technical individuals to fill to gap once it’s started. Perplexed at that time because I said to myself; how’s this possible. Since ten years has not gone by yet; the calculations still stands. Baffled about all of this’ had no idea and have idea - in what area (technologies) would begin to take place. You know I am so late…it just dawned on me that its here already. Ain’t got time to correct myself when I am written. The most important thing to me for as long as it make since. And at times am so confused because I don’t know what makes since or not. I’ll be taking a break for a while and if time permits will be back. If you don’t see my replies it means that I am off … it’s been real. .. Got lots of other things to catch-up. Hah! mwen konnen neg la pral vinni la pou li mete pou mwen. Enough so pou-m kapab Reply. Men franchemen mwen gen lot bagay pou fe. So mwen kab pa kabap repon li. Beside li pa jamay ban-m yon brake pou-m te kapab poste lot ti bagay la like (other messages). Ps. forget that person that I don’t reply too anymore. Because I know u know what happen on previous messages. Bay kou bliye pote mak sonje (ak son tout continutation de mank dega La-a.) Once again! MERRY KISS MAS! & HAPPY NEW YEAR! Of 2006’ TO ALL OF YOU!!! I'll Be Home for Christmas by Reba McEntire Album: The Christmas Collection (2003), Merry Christmas To You (1987) I'm dreaming tonight of the place I love Even more then I usually do And although I know it's a long road back This I promise you Well, I'll be home for Christmas You can plan on me So please have snow and lots of mistletoe And presents under the tree Oh Christmas Eve will find me Where the love life is I'll be home for Christmas If only in my dreams You know Christmas Eve will find me Where the love life is Darling I'll be home for Christmas If only in my dreams Oh if only in my dreams Mwen jete-m little hubble Guest   28/12/2005 13:31:14 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: MAKE SENSE not "make since", are you kidding me? Tinest Guest   28/12/2005 18:23:27 RE: Identity Crisis: if not stable here nor there IP: Logged Message: Message: Pourquoi insister sur l'utilisation du voudou. Il semble que presque tous les intervenants a ce forum croient au pere noel. Le voudou n'a pas de structure scripturelle pour nous aider a etablir un contrat social qui repondrait aux exigences economiques, socio-culturelles, et politiques actuelles. Le voudou lui meme n'est pas hierarchise et ne peut en aucun cas aider a resoudre le probleme de lutte constante pour le pouvoir. Donc, le voudou ne peut etre d'aucun apport institutionel. Dans cet ordre d'idees il nous faut laisser en paix le voudou et chercher les solutions de l'enigme haitien ailleurs. Cette solution, elle doit se trouver dans la diciplne, la cohesion, le respect mutuel sans exception pour autrui, mais surtout le respect du bien d'autrui et de la communaute, le respect inconditionel des lois qui nous gouvernent sans exception de rang, de classe. Il ne faut pas oublier aussi que nous sommes tous egaux devant la loi: les rois et serviteurs sont gouvernes par les memes lois. Le temps maintenant est de passer a l'action en tant qu'individus pour essayer de porter tous les haitiens a respecter les lois du pays et ne pas chercher justice d'eux memes. Pour cela il nous faut de nouveaux contrats sociaux qui protegeront toutes les couches de la collectivite nationale; n'oublions pas que quelqu'un est innocent jusqu'a ce qu'il soit trouve coupable. Il faut eviter que le president agisse en toute impunite comme l'a fait Aristide quand il refusa de soumettre la nomination des membres de la cour de cassation a la chambre pour confirmation; aussi quand il passa outre la constitution pour nommer Preval comme premier ministre au lieu de laisser le FNCD, gagnat des legislatives, le choix d'en nommer un. Ces deux manquements ont contribue a creer la crise qui aboutissa a son kindnaping au pouvoir. Eut-il respecte la constitution, le pays aurait pu etre une differente terre ou l'amour et la fraternite regnerait peut etre. A cet effet, il est important de prescrire a tous les dirrigeants ou aspirant au pouvoir la lecture de la REPUBLIQUE de Platon afin d'avoir une idee sur l'organisation d'un etat: L'executif, le legislatif et le judiciare (juges, prosecutaires, defenses, et surtout le pouvoir de police pour faire appliquer et respecter les decisions juridiques et les lois). L'organisation administrative de l'etat est aussi tres important: qui est responsable de quoi ou mieux les limites du pouvoir de chaque entitee. Ce n'est pas une tache facile pour un peuple habitue a etre gouverne par des demi-dieux (le systeme a vie) ou des dictateurs qui controlent tous les appareils du pouvoir, mais enemble nous pouvons parvenir a nous imposer des codes de conduites qui permettraient a Haiti de sortir de son marasme economique, politique, et social. Il suffirait de vouloir pour reussir ce pari et offrir a nos enfants la chance de vivre dans un pays reel. Aujourd'hui Haiti est une jungle ou l'on s'entre-dechire quotidiennement pour survivre a n'importe quel prix. ALLONS! DECIDONS NOUS les gens du forum. Tous ensemble creeons un commite d'etudes sur la CORRUPTION et soumettre un projet de lois au gouvernement et les chambres. Tines